1) Shooter is supposed to shoot his
rifle first, but instead pulls his first pistol and cocks it and then stops.
Can the shooter safely decock the pistol and get a
restart, since no round has gone down range?
The shooter can decock
his pistol in this scenario. He must first ask the Timer Operator then he can
fire the pistol downrange after permission is granted.
2) Alternative, same situation as
with #1., with rifle being first but shooter instead pulls his pistol by
mistake, cocks it, fires it and has a squib. Can shooter get a restart?
The shooter is a very lucky person, in this
scenario the shooter gets a reshoot since no round has exited the barrel.
3) Shooter is shooting a pistol
string and while doing so, one round does not fire. Shooter proceeds to go
around the cylinder and refires the round but it
still does not go down range. Shooter then loads a round from his person into
the empty chamber and fires and hits the last target in the proper sequence.
Is this legal?
Yes this is legal. Shooter needs to make sure the hammer is
down on a fired round when complete and if he does nothing after firing the
just loaded round he hammer/cylinder should be in the correct position.
4) Is it legal to move with a loaded
pistol pointed safely downrange by SASS Rules?
As long as the shooter keeps the gun pointed downrange and does not
cock the pistol until his feet are planted at the new location, he can move
with the pistol.
5) A male shooter is 66 years old,
shooting adjustable sight revolvers, how many different
categories might he choose to enter shooting smokeless powder?
I count 9 categories: B Western, Gunfighter,
Duelist, Senior Duelist, Cowboy, Wrangler, 49er, Senior, and Silver Senior.
6) Can a shooter use a 22 Magnum
caliber derringer for derringer side matches?
No a 22 Mag caliber derringer cannot be used in a derringer
side match. It is interesting that 22 caliber is
allowed but not magnum caliber in 22.
7) Does a spotter have to see or hear
Spotter should be looking for misses. If
spotter does not see or hear a hit and does not also see a miss, it is a hit.
July, You make
1) Shooter is instructed that he has
4 shotgun targets to knock down. One of the shotgun targets does not fall.
When may the shooter reshoot the target that did not fall, immediately, after
he shoots at all four targets, or anytime he wants to shoot the one(s) that
did not fall?
The shooter can pick up the knockdowns that
did not fall in any order he wants unless the stage instructions specifically
identify an order that the knockdowns must fall. This is true even when a
specific engagement order is given, i.e. outside targets then inside targets
(in that case if the first outside target engaged is missed the shooter can
re-engage it anytime he wants unless the stage instructions explicitly
provides an order they must fall in). Where it gets tricky is when the
shotgun targets are located in multiple positions.
In this case the shooter usually needs to complete all the knockdowns for a
given shooting position.
3) Shooter is at loading table with a
cross draw holster and sweeps the shooter in line behind him while drawing
his empty pistol (sweeping defined by pointing barrel at the next shooter
after his barrel clears the holster). Penalty?
Breaking the 170 with an unloaded gun is a
stage disqualification. Breaking the 170 with a loaded gun is a match
4) Shooter is at loading table and
has an accidental discharge while checking for high primers in his revolver.
An accidental discharge at the loading table
would be a match disqualification.
5) If the RO/TO bumps the shooter
while shooting or moving, can the shooter request a reshoot?
If the TO/RO bumps the shooter, the shooter can
ask for a reshoot-this is interference. If the shooter abuses this rule by
purposely bumping or running into the RO/TO when they had penalties they
would like to get rid of, TO/RO is not required to grant the reshoot.
6) Shooter shoots stage with an inadequate
number of shotshells in his belt so gets misses for
targets he was not able to engage. Can shooter claim the RO/TO should have
caught his mistake??
TO/RO is obligated to start the shooter in the
proper location. If the shooter does not stage his guns in the right
locations or does not have the required ammo, he'll be sorry! A good and
observant RO will usually help the shooter to have the required ammo.
7) Can a shooter ask for a restart if
no round has gone downrange after he fumbles his shotgun shells on his first
stage of the day?
A restart is not a reshoot. A restart means no
round has gone down range. Shooter gets to ask for a restart for whatever
reason. If shooter has bobbles (and no round fired) the RO can actually stop the shooter and help him get restarted.
Rules say RO must grant a restart unless the shooter is abusing the rules.
March, You Make
1) The maximum
cant (tilt angle) that can be used on a cross draw holster is how many
degrees from vertical? How can it be easily measured?
The maximum tilt
angle on a cross draw holster is 30 degrees. Unfortunately
there is no standard for measurement, but if your barrel tilts more than 30
degrees from vertical when you stand straight up, you may get called.
2) Shooter is
shooting a string of five revolver targets and the shooter is instructed to
shoot them once from left to right (i.e. 1,2, 3, 4, and 5). The targets are
set very close together (almost overlapping). The shooter actually hits
targets in this
order (1, 3, 3, 4, 5). What is the call?
Call is a Miss only. The new handbooks
will caution match directors to not set up stages so a miss on one target
hits another target close by and if targets are set too close together the
shooter will get a Miss only and not a Procedural penalty.
3) A pump 1897
shooter has to engage two shotgun targets then move
a fair distance and engage another two targets. The shooter loads one shotshell and hits the first target, loads a second shotshell and hits the second target leaving his shotgun
closed on the fired round. Shooter then moves to the new location and on the
way, loads two new shotshells in the 1897 magazine
maintaining muzzle control. When shooter arrives at second location, shooter
pumps new rounds into his chambers one at a time and hits the final two
targets leaving his shotgun open and empty. Whats
The rules say the shooter may not load more
than two rounds at a time. This has been recently ruled by the RO
Committee to be two LIVE rounds. So, the shooter can leave one fired
round in his gun chamber, and load two rounds in his 1897 pump or 1887 lever
action shotgun as he is moving or before his next shooting position.
This will be clarified in the Jan 2009 handbook(s) release.
4) Same shooter is
shooting his 1897 and it is the last gun on the stage. Shooter leaves a hull
in his shotgun accidently on last shot. At what point is the shooter awarded
a minor safety for the infraction?
Shooter is awarded the safety penalty for the
empty hull when he lays his shotgun down on the unloading table provided it
was the last gun shot.
5) Shooter is
shooting his shotgun and lays it down with an empty hull in the shotgun.
Shooter then moves to a new location and picks up his rifle and after he
levers the rifle (now with a round in the chamber and hammer cocked) but
before he fires the rifle, the Range Officer informs the shooter of the empty
hull in his shotgun. How can the shooter recover from this situation without
incurring a penalty?
Shooter must remove
the hull from his shotgun before he shoots his rifle or he gets a safety
penalty. With the rifle, the shooter can open his rifle and jack out
his round from the chamber, but will have to load another round from his
person to hit all his rifle targets eventually. When the rifle is open the
shooter can continue to hold on to the rifle while he moves back to the
shotgun if he wants-but does not violate the 170 muzzle
rule. Then the shooter has to go back to his correct
position for shooting his rifle and at any time then can load one more in his
rifle. Most shooters would do it for his last round. If the
shooter cocks his revolver before removing the hull he has a much more serious issue to resolve-probably best to just take the 10
second safety penalty
completes his stage, and moves to the unloading table and has checked all his
guns, returned his long guns to his gun cart, comes back to the unloading
table and holsters his first revolver and while holstering his second
revolver drops it on the ground. What is the call?
Shooter is very lucky, he has avoided a major
penalty. Under the new definition of the firing line, it is defined as
from when the first gun is placed on the loading table until the last gun is
picked up from the unloading table so shooters dropped gun did not occur on
the firing line so no penalty. If it were any other of his guns he would have
gotten the dropped gun penalty.
7) A reshoot is
not a restart. What is a restart? When is a restart granted and by whom?
A RESHOOT can only be granted by the Timer
Operator, Range Officer or other match official. This can be for all
kinds of issues. A RESTART is granted to the shooter when requested by
the SHOOTER. As long as the shooter does not
abuse the privilege a restart is granted at the shooters request. This must
be done before the first bullet leaves the barrel.
8) Shooter loads
his guns at the loading table and forgot to lower his hammer on his rifle on
an empty chamber and loads the magazine with the correct number of rounds. As
he leaves the loading table and comes to the props to stage his long guns the
Range Officer notes that the hammer of the shooters rifle is cocked. What is
Shooter gets a stage disqualification for
coming to the line with his rifle cocked, even when on an empty chamber.
07 September 2009